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Ganked from [livejournal.com profile] rivendellrose and sounds like fun:

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Date: 2007-04-18 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormkpr.livejournal.com
But there I run into both the "other people's history" and the "other people's politics" issues. I could be opening cans of worms without even seeing the possibilities, and, trust me, even from here I can see such possibilities.

Well, yeah, anytime you bring up a subject there is a possibility of controversy. You can't control it. You can word your post well to try to minimize it but you never know how someone might react. I still think it's worth stimulating discussion though. :)

does the Alliance/Independent conflict in Firefly more usefully map to the US North/South Civil War (which seems to be the usual assumption), or to the civilised east/wild west cultural divide (which makes more sense to me, as an entire outsider - as if the cattle barons had taken up arms against railroads, and law which didn't come out of the barrel of a gun)?

I've never gotten the American Civil War analogy theory, myself. I just don't see any parallels, at least not any that stand up to scrutiny. I'd love to hear more about your idea of an East/West analogy.

You might really have something there on Mal and Zoe not having a healthy relationship. I don't think there's any sexual interest between the two of them, but you could make an argument that something is not quite right. I really sympathize with Wash when he wants Zoe to stand up to Mal more and to make her relationship with him her #1 priority. I face a kinda similar situation with my own partner.

Date: 2007-04-18 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] invisibleshrew.livejournal.com
Wrt to Mal and Zoe - I agree, no sexual interest. I also don't think that Wash is worried about that either - that's where Mal chooses to take the argument. Wash is fashed by the whole "obeying happening under my nose" thing, and so am I.

Zoe offers Mal the kind of unconditional backing that I'd only expect to see in a military (and probably active combat) situation - and they're fly-by-night crims, not soldiers. I fanwank it away by ascribing her a career military background, and coming from a military family (popular media tells me that such things exist in the US?), so that she is used to looking for a clear command structure - but I don't see it as especially healthy for her.

I do see it as downright unhealthy for Mal. While he knows that Zoe has his back so unquestioningly, he's shielded from the consequences of his dodgy decision-making. In a sense, she's buffering him from having to grow up.

And then there's the whole thing where Zoe chooses to lie to Wash, rather than discuss Mal's decisions which do, actually, affect him. Which : no.

Date: 2007-04-19 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormkpr.livejournal.com
These are honestly all very good observations. I also believe that Zoe craves that military structure...has she refused to accept that she is essentially a smuggler and not a solider anymore? Does she follow any strong leader unquestioningly? Does she need to assert herself more?

And great observations on Mal.

I still think you should post. Generate some good discussion.

Date: 2007-04-20 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] invisibleshrew.livejournal.com
I'll try to gather up the gumption to put a post together this weekend. Short and with very open-ended questions, on the Mal & Wash & Zoe dynamic. Still too scared of the politics one!

In other news, I'm still trying to make the smut, well, smutty...

Date: 2007-04-20 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stormkpr.livejournal.com
I can't wait to read it! I very much look forward to it.

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