stormkeeper_lovedoris

did you ever watch the x-men cartoon from 20 years ago it was the best.

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I agree! I adored it. All of my X-men fanfic is based off it, except for the XMFC fic I wrote.

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i had just started reading the comic and jean was so powerful (x-men 28 i think was my first issue)and it had her fighting sabretooth.she slamed him around broke his arms/legs.SHE WAS SO AMAZING nothing like the cartoon jean was.

but i loved her as dark pheonix

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I know a lot of people who feel that way, but I loved cartoon Jean. I thought she was strong and caring. I've liked every incarnation of Jean except movie-Jean as I didn't think the actress did a good job!

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dont even get me started on movie rogue wtf did they do to her in the 3rd movie :(

( the hot mess the 3rd movie was lol)

i hear logans gonna be all up in the next first class movie wow lets make it all about him again :(

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Yeah, movie-Rogue....that was sad. I miss my cartoon Rogue. Why did they do that to her??

And yeah, that is a bummer....I love Wolverine as much as the next fan, but the creators need to realize that there are other X-men. And some fans actually want storylines about some of these other X-men.

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i love hugh jackman as logan but he will always be to tall to be logan.how is logan 6 foot.or storm being short. talk about bad casting.haha

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I had a hard time reconciling that in my fanfic. Storm should tower over Wolverine, but in movie-verse she sure doesn't; no one does!

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Stan Lee is very cool, but he didn't create all the strong female characters you love. That credit goes to Chris Claremont, who wrote X-Men from 1975-1991 and then off and on throughout the 2000s.

ETA: Whenever the series needs a shot in the arm, so to speak, they pull Claremont back onto writing duties.

Edited Date: 2012-12-28 11:24 pm (UTC)

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You know what I don't get though? I saw an interview with Stan where he talked about the strong female characters in X-men. He didn't say that he created them....but it was kinda implied that he did. At least that's what I walked away thinking. Hmmm.

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He did create the original X-Men (and, I'm pretty sure, the Fantastic Four), and he made them far more human than other comic charactes - but they really got a shot in the arm, and more dignity, when Claremont was around. For instance Jean Grey was originally "Marvel Girl" and Susan Reed from the F4 was originally "Invisible Girl" even though they were adults/teen women. Most of the women X-Men showed up later, though - Chris Claremont created Jubilee, Psylocke, Emma Frost and Rogue, and someone else did Storm and Magik.

Stan made it possible, though - as the editor he hired those writers and gave them the ability to develop those characters and run with them. :)

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Brain blip, that should be Susan Richards, not Reed. :)

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So, yay to Stan and to the people he hired like Claremont! :)

The current writer of Astonishing X-men who is doing such a great job is a woman, but I need to look up her name.

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Marjorie Liu is the current writing of Astonishing.

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Louise Simonson also gets a lot of credit for Marvel's strong women, IMHO. I know Shadowcat is her creation and she was at the helm of a lot of the best X-Factor/New Mutants story arcs in the 1980s.

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Very cool. By the way, one of the New Mutants - Karma - is a major character in this Astonishing X-men storyline that I'm in to.

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Very cool! I am glad they are still using those characters. I always contemplate going to read Marvel again but I don't know if I am up for the heartbreak, lol. Every time I've liked a series with them they've eventually cancelled it or worse, hired new writers who decimated the characters...

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One could spend a lifetime pondering Marvel's errors! That is why this run on Astonishing continues to, well, Astonish me. (sorry)

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Is Astonishing a reboot of the older series? If they haven't killed off Jean it might be worth looking into...

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As far as I can tell, it's not a reboot. Unfortunately Jean and Scott are nowhere to be found. I guess they are on a different team or something? Rogue isn't in it either, though she made an appearance at Northstar and Kyle's wedding. The main characters are Wolverine (of course), Gambit, Northstar (and Kyle), a female Shi'ar warrior whose name I forget, Iceman, and Karma.

They rarely interact with any of the other X-men (again, except at Northstar's wedding), which I don't like. Guess I want one big happy team.

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Cecilia Reyes is in it too. She's pretty cool.

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Aw. That sounds like a bummer, not to have the rest of the team there. :(

I agree with you - one of the things I DID like, and continue to like, about old Marvel is that they realized that the characters didn't live in a vacuum and would in fact bump into each other and need to work together at some points. And as I recall with the X-Men/X-Factor/New Mutants a major part of their strength was their large membership.

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I wonder why they like to use the vacuum method. They trot out every character in Marvel for Northstar's wedding but they only do that when there are big occasions. Is it just too hard to juggle too many lead characters?

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Laziness? I'm only half joking there. As I recall, the huge 80s storylines that stretched into a lot of the different series were so complicated that it must have taken a lot of time and effort to keep it all straight for continuity's sake.

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That's kind of why I swing in and out of Marvel. I usually keep up with what's going on in X-Men, to a point, but sometimes it just makes me sad and/or angry, which is not a fun way to be when reading comics.

ETA: Astonishing is not a reboot. Don't expect to find Scott and Jean though. Jean is still dead and Scott's off being a war criminal. Liu's trying to write a fun and interesting series, so she's not dealing with any of that. Teenage Jean from the past has made a recent appearance in All New X-Men, along with the rest of the original team, and it looks like she'll be sticking around for a while.

Marvel has generally been pretty good about not having the characters exist in a vacuum, but they can only keep juggling so many characters through so many books. Except Wolverine. Even the editors joke that he can exist in 1000 places at once.

Edited Date: 2012-12-30 03:38 am (UTC)

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Simonson didn't create Shadowcate/Kitty Pryde. She's also a Claremont creation and was brought into the comics in 1980, during the Dark Phoenix Saga.

Simonson gets a lot of credit for other cool stuff though. Even though she didn't create the New Mutants title/characters (that was also Claremont), she took wrote quite a bit of it. Her big credit though is the original X-Factor. Once she took over writing duties on issue 6, the series really took off.

I need to take off my Marvel geek goggles. For serious.

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She also did Power Pack which was totally MY series. :)

Who am I thinking of then, it's driving me mad...I could have sworn that Louise Simonson either created or extensively wrote two characters based on her daughter Julianna Jones. One of them is definitely Julie Power from Power Pack but I could have sworn the other was Shadowcat. No?

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Definitely not Shadowcat. She's a Claremont creation through and through. He was very fond of her and wrote quite a few arcs centered around her.

Here's a link to every character Simonson created: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Characters_created_by_Louise_Simonson

Now I'm curious as to who you're thinking of. Do any of these ring a bell? She did create the whole Power Pack family.

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Yeah, Power Pack is her baby, and I know Maggie was based on her, physically - and Julie Power = Julianna Jones...but there was one other in the X-Men universe that supposedly was modeled after Julianna. None of the ones on that list are ringing a bell and now it's really bugging me that I don't remember who it was!

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